Chill4us response to the Green paper. Welfare

Chill4us response to the Green paper. Welfare

Postby wendy » 19 Oct 2008, 10:05

http://www.dwp.gov.uk:80/welfarereform/ ... stions.rtf

Response from Chill4Us.com to the Green Paper: No one written off: reforming welfare to reward responsibility

Chill4us.com is an Internet based support group run by Carers for Carers.





Question 22: Is a system based on a single overarching benefit the right long-term aspiration? How could a simpler system be structured so as to meet varying needs and responsibilities?

Chill4us.com believes that a single benefit is not the right way to go, and that it would further erode the status of Carers.




Question 23: Would moving carers currently on IS onto JSA be a suitable way of helping them to access the support available to help combine caring with paid work or preparing for paid work?

Chill4us.com does not agree that those on Income Support and Carers Allowance should be transferred to Jobseekers Allowance.

There are millions of Carers in the UK making a very responsible contribution to society which would cost £bn's to replace.

Chill4us.com asks that these people who show responsibility by their caring get their just reward by increasing benefits to a liveable amount.


Some Carers over retirement age may want to seek additional work whilst Caring, the presented Reforms take no account of this.




Chill4us asks for the overlapping benefit rules to be done away with.

Chill4us wants a heating allowance for carers because many carers have to use their heating throughout the summer and winter.

Chill4us asks that there will be a substantial delay after the caree dies before the carer is contacted by the DWP.  An adjustment time of one year would be more acceptable.


To summarise


Carers Allowance and Income Support to stay

Carers Allowance payments to be increased.

Acknowledge Carers special status for Benefits.

Remove the Overlapping Benefits rule.

Pay Carers Allowance beyond state retirement age and for carers who care for more than one disabled person or child.

Heating allowance for Carers.

Extended time to one year after a carer dies before caree is contacted by DWP.


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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby wendy » 19 Oct 2008, 10:06

Please feel free to correct anything here, because I will be sending this off today.
Please let me know.
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby HotSheila » 19 Oct 2008, 11:07

Think you've got it in a nutshell Wendy - good luck.  Sheila x
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby wendy » 19 Oct 2008, 13:58

With grateful thanks to Ian.
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 19 Oct 2008, 17:15

Hopefully they might get the message.

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby douglas » 19 Oct 2008, 17:30

dont count on it ian it goes in one ear
and out the other
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 20 Oct 2008, 04:17

The submission can be viewed here

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgwpn ... x9g9&hl=en

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby wendy » 20 Oct 2008, 09:29

Thank you for your email.

This mailbox is for responses to the 2008 Welfare Reform Green Paper Consultation No one written off: reforming welfare to reward responsibility.

Due to the volume of responses we are unable to reply directly, but your comments will be forwarded to the Green Paper consultation team.  If you have contacted us to request a printed or alternative format copy of the Green Paper we will send this out to you shortly.

A report will be published within 3 months of the closing date summarising the responses and outlining the government's planned next steps.  This will be available on the internet at http://www.dwp.gov.uk/welfarereform.
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby chenrezig » 20 Oct 2008, 10:43

Just seen this post Wendy - it is spot on.

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 26 Oct 2008, 20:07

There are some large organisations speaking out about this

The CAB
http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/index/ ... 080721.htm

Waving a big stick is not the answer


We are also disappointed that in the current economic climate little commitment has been given to ensure that people take up their full benefit and tax credit entitlement.  As much as £9.9 billion goes unclaimed every year


NAS
http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly. ... 53&a=16982

people carrying out work-focused interviews will not have training in the needs of people with autism


...and big guns too
CPAG
http://www.cpag.org.uk/welfarereform/

we do not believe it is right to increase conditionality and seek to force people into employment.


CPAGs full response is here
http://www.cpag.org.uk/info/briefings_p ... f_1008.pdf

and  the list goes on

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 26 Oct 2008, 21:40

In CPAGs full response there is this (I am still reading it)

The title ‘An obligation to work’ is telling, many people being targeted as supposedly not fulfilling this obligation are already working as parents and carers – such a simplistic lens as to view ‘work’ as only being for pay devalues and disregards the care for children and for sick or disabled relatives which binds UK society together
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby wendy » 26 Oct 2008, 22:30

It is much appreciated that you are keeping us informed.
Thank you
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 27 Oct 2008, 01:31

and reading further

We urge Government to think more carefully about how it is treating those who are not in work but who are carers, and in particular we strongly oppose the suggestion that it is appropriate to place those who society has accepted should not work (for instance those caring for disabled relatives) onto jobseeker’s allowance – these people are not seeking a job, they are already doing one.


I think we must use this over and over to quote to others when they want a reference, note this is CPAG, the Child Poverty Action Group, a major Stakeholder in various government Committees.

I am really glad CPAG have come right out and said what we have all been saying for ages now.

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby Honey » 27 Oct 2008, 02:07

I agree Ian,
The future for our carees looks very bleak if we will not be allowed to carry on caring for them.
Social services will  be  faced with a huge financial crisis and who will suffer?  Our carees.
Its time Social Services spoke up in support of us.
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 27 Oct 2008, 03:58

CPAG also express concerns about Personal Budgets in their response saying there will be a huge funding gap and disabled people will end up with less choice not more because they will not get enough money in their allocated budget to buy the care and support they need.

CPAG also has this to say about Carers Allowance

...the Government’s recent review of the National Carers Strategy also proposed moving to a system of ‘personal budgets’ for carers but did not include any commitment to raise the level of the carer’s allowance. We believe that a significant increase in the allowance is required to meet the aspirations set out in chapter 5 of the Green Paper
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 23 Jan 2009, 19:50

The response is in the White Paper

http://dwp.gov.uk/welfarereform/raisingexpectations/

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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby graham » 23 Jan 2009, 20:03

& what is your conclusion Ian ?  : Because I  ( & I suspect 99% of the people here ) would not know where to start with that lot !...........
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby wendy » 23 Jan 2009, 20:52

I asked Ian to let me know if our questions were answered.  I hope he can let us know, or was it all a waste of our time.
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Re: Chill4us response to the Green paper.

Postby ians1 » 24 Jan 2009, 00:14

I think we added some weight to the already strident voices of others who complained about the abolition of Carers Allowance.

No specific mentions as far as I can see.

The main part of the response is the White Paper, which will become law as it is debated in the Commons.

There are still several opportunities for it to be amended, and of course it will need approval in the Lords.

If you feel that Carers are insufficiently catered for in the latest reforms (this White Paper) then write your MP via writetothem.com and tell him/her that you are not happy, request they ask the minister (Purnell) to complete a full and fair review of Carers benefits.

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